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    The fight againt SOPA and PIPA is something we should all get into.!

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    The fight againt SOPA and PIPA is something we should all get into.!

    Post  hl2modrift on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:36 pm

    I think that the entire server should be completely against SOPA and PIPA. It would be great if we all signed google's petition stating that SOPA and PIPA should not exist and should never take effect. We deserve interweb freedom and the SOPA and PIPA bills should not take place!
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    Post  Coppermazov on Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:24 am

    If a government is repressive enough to take away free speech within full view of its citizens (if that is indeed what they are doing) I would question who this list would chiefly benefit. That's just an opinion that I won't assert. Please explain the basis of our deserving interweb freedom, I am genuinely curious, even if my first sentence seems dubious.
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    Post  hl2modrift on Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:53 pm

    Well, Copper, SOPA and PIPA as you may know are trying to censor the internet basically eliminating all copyright infringing material and such...that means Google goes bye-bye...Google as already said that if SOPA and PIPA pass that they will purposely shut down losing our government billions of dollars. I think that will scare them into not passing it and Google also has a petition against it as well as Mozilla and a lot of other corporations. SOPA and PIPA will also have to shut down Youtube..we all know that would suck. But what I mean by interwebs freedom is that piracy IS PART OF THE INTERNET. Taking piracy away is taking something that the internet can't live without away. Our government is basically trying to dictate what we can and cannot do on the internet and that isn't right. Hence why we should all get into the fight.
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    Post  Coppermazov on Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:13 pm

    I don't think the government cares about google or youtube, I think the government cares about itself, and adding to itself. Being able to gain greater control over internet would certainly add to themselves. I remember they tried to save some money and managed to cut some billions, and it was seen as next to nothing, too little to bother even saving. Though that was in the context of trillions I'll admit.

    I think the idea of piracy being a necessary element of the internet is interesting, but you can say on that same line of reasoning that aggressive coercion is a vital (if unpleasant) part of any government (which it would seem to be in my opinion), either covertly or overtly. I doubt any court would recognize piracy as necessary, or the internet as its own sovereign entity.

    If you have a legal reason that the government cannot dictate what we do on the internet and shouldn't eliminate piracy then I would be very interested. I don't think the government cares whether its actions are right or wrong, but a legal reason could slow them enough that they get frustrated and move their ambitions elsewhere.
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    Post  hl2modrift on Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:15 pm

    Well another thing is when you look at the pollution being put out into our atmosphere due to plastics and such being processed to make CD's to put programs, music, videos etc. as piracy rates increase the amount of pollution is actually decreasing due to lesser CD's being recycled and being reprocessed and things like that...and it's a proven fact.
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    Post  Coppermazov on Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:06 pm

    I don't think that is going to sway the government, and I don't believe the mainstream of environmentalists would risk making themselves look bad by supporting piracy. Though that is an interesting fact.

    Please explain what, in your view, has legally been done wrong by the government. Ethically they may be completely wrong, but without legal reasons we can't do anything. All I know is that this "could" violate freedom of speech, and you could say that about a great deal of laws, over which none or few of us complain to this degree. They would immediately point that out.

    Most of the opposition to these bills seem more concerned with the illusion of progress and action rather than the actuality of it. Aggravating the government may just make them pass it out of spite, to demonstrate that the internet isn't as important as we think. If there are reasonable legal problems with the bills as a whole, and these problems are presented in coherent and duly respectful way, perhaps they won't dismiss the complaints they receive as flailing anarchism whenever they come up, but will be more inclined to freely acknowledge them.

    Though I freely acknowledge that its very unrealistic of me to think that sudden reasonableness would achieve anything at this point.

    I would, however, rather know what is likely to occur rather than what I find desirable to occur.
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    Post  Chef on Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:33 pm

    I'll be very surprised if these two bills pass. It just seems highly unlikely. I understand the m wanting to increase the penalties for piracy, but acting on copyright infringement so severely just seems barbaric. YouTube already makes their users credit the content they upload if said content is copyrighted. This isn't really any different with other sites either. Don't know what else I can really say on the matter. Except that If these bills do pass, there are going to be some very unhappy corporations aiming their anger at the government in a rebellion.


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    Post  hl2modrift on Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:04 am

    One of the things that I was going to get into later on in this is what Chef put later on in that post. There will be very very unhappy corporations and there already are. According to another forum I'm on about something totally unrelated to minecraft, SOPA and PIPA have already managed to shut down several sites..including megaupload.com. SOPA and PIPA, in my opinion, are just to incredibly stupid to be passed. I'm still trying to find a legal reason as to why the two bills should not be passed. I should find a reason eventually and lately as I've seen it environmentalists have more power than the government anyway. And I might be wrong..but I think that's about the truth.
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    Post  Coppermazov on Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:37 am

    I'm almost certain that SOPA and PIPA had no part in shutting down megaupload, but that the basis was laws that are now in place. Megaupload was shut down for supposedly gaining exorbitant profits by enabling piracy, and the government doesn't need new laws to prosecute piracy. The basis is outlined in the washington post, and I would assume some others services, but I won't quote them here.

    I remember Notch said that it was the corporations that were behind the bill. I guess there are corporations and greed for and against, no matter how you put it. If SOPA is dead the legal precedent from megaupload should (assuming they actually succeed) have interesting ramifications. I'm sorry if I'm perpetuating a quagmire.
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    Post  hl2modrift on Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:44 pm

    SOPA and PIPA didn't pass anyway. You can delete this thread if needed now.
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    Post  Chef on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:36 am

    hl2modrift wrote:SOPA and PIPA didn't pass anyway. You can delete this thread if needed now.

    Acta and pcip are up now lol.


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    Post  Coppermazov on Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:43 am

    Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, I thought it was legislation and couldn't find it. Its a international agreement. The other one is against child pornography rather than pirates. There seems to be a underlying theme in all this ("its a conspiracy...man"). You clearly knew what they were, but I didn't.
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    Post  silus2008 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:08 am

    Also worth a read, Ireland is going to try and implement something similar to SOPA ( http://www.tjmcintyre.com/2012/01/adrian-weckler-confims-that-irelands.html?m=1 )

    and leaked documents the US is going to target Australian communications company iiNet through the local court-system, with the aim of establishing a binding common-law precedent which would make ISPs responsible for the unauthorised file-sharing of their customers. Also saying Both the location, Australia, and the target, iiNet, were carefully selected. A precedent set in Australia would be influential in countries with comparable legal systems such as Canada, India, New Zealand and Great Britain. Australian telecommunications giant Telstra was judged too large for the purposes of the attack. Owing to its smaller size and more limited resources, iiNet was gauged the perfect candidate. ( https://torrentfreak.com/australia-us-copyright-colony-or-just-a-good-friend-120121/ ) (only sources I could find so not really sure if false info or not)


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    Post  markorply on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:54 pm

    REALLY?WHY IRELAND THEY FK EVERYTHING UP BUT NOW THIS *
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    Post  Coppermazov on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:37 pm

    I find it amusing that this post is no longer about protesting sopa or pipa at all, but has remained relevant. Maybe they're doing it in Ireland just because they can, for the lulz, ironically.

    In case anyone is interested, "enemy expatriation act hr 3166 " "to add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the united states to the list of acts for which united states nationals would lose their nationality". Its only proposed though, hope that was interesting.
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    Post  Chef on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:53 pm

    markorply wrote:REALLY?WHY IRELAND THEY FK EVERYTHING UP BUT NOW THIS *

    Caps, Language. -.-


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